Hang in there Jo.

As you may or may not know, I work back in the GM building for Tinker now. Friday night, they cut the AC off at 3:30. I worked a 10 hour shift in there at 90 degrees. Phew, yes it was hot!!!!!!

Glad to see Jo is still here too!

Nick.

Homer Goad passed away this week. His spouse is Betty Goad. They both worked in the plant. The funeral is Thursday at 2:00. It will be held at the Primrose Chapel in Norman on Porter and Robinson. Our condolences go out to the Goad family.

Condolences to the family of Jim Reading. Jim passed away on July 17, 2010. Jim was a supervisor in Material. Visitation is today, July 20, from 4:00 to 8:00 p.m. at Vondel Smith, South Lakes, 4000 119th, OKC with funeral services Wed. July 21 at 10:00 a.m. at Southern Hill Baptist Church located at 8601 South Penn. OKC. Patsy

I am still here! Just trying to get through this hot summer! whew! And of course "still" trying to get hold of benefits for an insurance question!

Here is what looks like happened based upon the posts I've sen.

• Folks retired
• GM gave them a $25,000 voucher as part of that retirement
• GM estimated that there would be ~$15,500 net value to the voucher after taking Federal Income tax.
• Federal taxes were withheld
• Retirees received a voucher with a net value, after Federal taxes were withheld, of ~$15,500
• Some retirees believe GM cheated.

This raises some questions

• Was the member retiring from a plant in a state with no income tax and living where they had an income tax obligation?
• If GM stated the voucher was going to be worth $15,500 after federal taxes were taken out and the voucher was worth that amount after federal taxes were taken out is GM a cheater?

I think from seeing the post that the first question's answer is TRUE.

The second answer is dependent upon your view.

View 1. - GM is responsible for the tax consequences of where I choose to live and should adjust the voucher amount on a case by case basis until every retiree receiving one receives the same net amount from the voucher.

View 2. - GM is responsible for providing the $25,000 voucher they promised. I am responsible for the tax consequences of where I choose to live. Voucher net amounts will not vary.

View 3. - GM is responsible for tax consequences of where I choose to live and should adjust the withholding amount on a case by case basis. Every retiree receiving a voucher receives a different net amount.

View 1 believes GM should be on the hook for in excess of $25,000 for each voucher based upon the individual retiree's domicile. GM is really going to buy into that!

View 2 believes that GM's obligation does not extend beyond the statements it made which was to provide a $25,000 voucher and when federal withholding was done the net value was $15,500. 

View 3 believes GM is responsible for withholding Federal/State/City income taxes from the payments made to its employees in a state without a state or city income tax causing each voucher to have a different net worth. I can only imagine the reaction to a brother finding out another brother got 10¢ more than they did on the voucher.

My voucher gross amount was 23,014 minus Fed taxes and the amount of net 15,500. Now as an Oklahoma resident I have to pay Okla. state tax out of my pocket.We were misled by everyone involved concerning the attrition package.We signed papers accepting the package that stated we would be given a 25,000 voucher minus taxes that would net at 15,500. Now I owe taxes to Oklahoma on 23,014 of income. 15500 went to car dealer. That leaves me to pay the state out of pocket.

workers are what built General Motors quality, not management. G.M.'s "Corporate Greed" still intact. we retire under a contract, then they take our Dental and Vision away, more out of our pocket. then they want us to go buy thier product and support thier Greed, not me, I retired from Arlington in 2008. then they screwed us. I'll never buy another General Motors product, after getting screwed by General Motors. very glad I'm away from most of thier crap.sincerely Lonnie

Hey Tom, welcome to the afterlife. You'll now start to find things aren't what you thought they were supposed to be. Also, maybe you can get the Union to help you recoup that sales tax money from GM like they got us back some money when we took out Attrition package and were docked $4,500.00. Worth talking to someone about. On another note, could we have some kind of a roll call to see how many people are still with us and reading this site? Also, one of my co-workers was telling me that he went to some skilled trades thing in Norman many years ago with a friend, or relative and was very impressed by the humble ways of the Skilled tradesmen from GM. He really admired and respected them and had nothing but good things to say. It's nice to hear something like that instead of UAW bashing like I also hear a lot of.

So Tom, are you saying once Federal Taxes is taken out you don't get $15,500? Are you saying $2,000 less than that because your voucher is from Texas and no State Taxes? Please explain! Thank you!!

Man I bought a new 2010 Tahoe made in Arlington. You guys rock. I love it. I got a great deal and a killer vehicle. I do wish I had gotten a voucher but I don't think I fell in the group that was blessed enough for that. But hey I'm happy to get the retiree discount and the world class quality provided by my brothers and sisters at the Arlington plant. I noticed the trucks are all assembled in Mexico. I wanted one but ain't no way I'm buying foreign assembled vehicles.

rain? that is! lol! my goodness. I was also wondering if anyone else has been having a problem trying to get Judy to call them back at home when they leave a messege for an insurance question? Guess I'll keep bugging her! lol!

Just bought a new vehicle with my voucher. The voucher was $2000 less than the $25000 it was supposed to be. Labor relations at Arlington says thats all I get because it came out of Texas which has no income tax.It doesent matter that I have to pay Oklahoma tax. This was not disclosed prior to agreeing to the special attrition package. If anyone else got cheated, post a note.

This has been quite rain storm! I'm sure I have some small amount of damage but nothing compared to what it is in other areas.

Our Heartfelt Sympathy to Ruth Hise and family on the death of Ruth's husband, David. David's funeral will be held at the Chapel of John Ireland Funeral Home, 120 South Broadway, Moore,Ok on Thursday, 6-10-10 at 10:00 a.m. Ruth retired from 2nd shift Materail.

Our heartfelt sympathy is extended to the family of Brother Steve(Sonny)Henchey, whose father passed away Friday, May 21, 2010. Services will be held Monday, May 24, 2010, 3:00pm at the First Baptist Church in Purcell, Oklahoma. Steve retired from the Quality Dept. in Chassis.

is there another website that will come close to keeping the retirees of UAW Local 1999 informed?

The latest Benefits and other useful numbers is now available at

http://www.uawlocal1999.org/Fast_Facts/default.asp

my diabetes went crazy,100 is the normal blood sugar count,mine was 1045.the hospital said you should be dead.that sort of changed my thinking.I'm glad I drove a sprint car for awhile but that hobby is gone. Plus I made a big mistake and took the 140,000,but I get about 500 a month take home in 3 years,maybe I can start having a little bit of fun then.I'm going to try to catch one of the get togethers so I can see some of you again.still alive,

Gene.

Hi everyone! I didn't see any posts here about our last tornado damages around here and there and hope everyone is ok! Our church at 240 and Anderson got quite a bit of damage so it will be rebuilt. We went 8 hours without electricity but it's back on. I am now thinking "Hurry up June!" lol! God bless you all and hope you are all doing ok! and (((hugs))) for those sick or hurting or for the families for those that had someone die.

Brother Ron Webb's son, David, was involved in a motorcycle accident this past weekend and is in ICU at OU Medical Center.  Our thoughts and prayers are with Brother Webb and his family for David's full recovery.

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